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#806, November 30 - December 6:
The Weekly Extreme Str8ts Puzzle

by Andrew Stuart

WARNING: This is the Weekly 'Extreme' Str8ts.
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by: hepa

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by: kris

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 very hard nut, stuck at 5 solved cells – after 2 hours ore more ...
 

by: OneGuess

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 tough but amazing puzzle - D23 low helped to speed up things
 

by: BP

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 Another phantastic challenge. Chainfree. After 5 solved cells we used a couple of Settis, later a combined Setti to decide hi/lo in D. Many thanks, hepa, and a nice start into december for everyone!
 

by: BP

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 @kris: I think after 5 solved cells and several settis the setti results helped with col 4.
 

by: kris

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 Thank you BP (and of course hepa), finally did it with a bunch of settis, sometimes I suffer from temporary blindness ... but it was still quite demanding.
 

by: aw

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 Puh, finally done (without hint :-) - missed some of the "smeared" wings for a long time and needed some chains around F6/G7 for entering the puzzle.
 

by: pax

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With careful work no lang head chains or hints needed. Another masterpiece, key are in fact setties and wings.
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by: acs

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 The Weekly Str8ts puzzle #806
 

by: kris

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 Amazing puzzle, it's all about uniqueness. Step by step, I found seven URs. No chains, no guesses.
 

by: BP

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 Amazing indeed. We used 5 URs and 2 obvious setti considerations. Many thanks, Andrew!
 

by: hp

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 Saw no durable URs.
Could you please specify
 

by: BP

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 @hp: Here our main steps:

UR: 4 in ABCDE1 and 4 in GHJ2, otherwise GHJ1 and GHJ2 could be swapped.

UR: H5=1, otherwise H125 and J125 could be swapped.

UR: F3<>4, otherwise it could be substituted by F3=2. (I think this UR wasn't neccessary.)

UR: D4<>1, otherwise AD67=24.

UR: D6<>2, otherwise AD67=24. (At least I think that was the reason.)

Setti consideration on 4: 4 in H39 and 4 missing in col 3 or col 9 implies: 4 in no other cell of cols 3,9, esp. C3<>4.

Setti consideration: H9=4 => contradiction on Setti 8.

Maybe kris likes to share the other two URs. We missed them.
 

by: kris

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 @hp and BP: My very cumbersome and unnecessarily long way – as I see now – was (from where the solver stops, without solver steps):
x-wing 3 on HJ12 -> H4≠3
F7≠7, otherwise UR 78 on FH 79
H12≠1, otherwise UR 123 on GHJ 12
H4≠9, H9≠9, otherwise UR 67 on G47 H67 J46
Hidden pair 79 on H67 -> ≠6
H5=1, otherwise UR 234 on HJ 125 -> Hidden pair 23 on H12
B1=4, otherwise UR 1234 on GHJ 12
D4=4, otherwise UR 24 on AD 67
H3=4, otherwise UR 24 on F3

Actually, only 3 URs are completely sufficient! (even no wing, hidden pair nore setti needed)
#1. B1=4, otherwise UR, GHJ 1 and GHJ 2 could be swapped
#2. D4=4, otherwise UR 24 on AD 67
#3. H3=4, otherwise UR 24 on F3

Funny, isn't it?
Thanks a lot, BP, for making me analyze the puzzle again!
 

by: hoke

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 Amazing indeed
 

by: Rudik

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 Without taking into consideration all those lengthy discussions about URs, just choose H3=4 instead of 6 and the whole thing falls apart. Sorry.
 

by: kris

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 Rudik: You should understand that there are two different types of Str8ts solvers: Some – like you – are satisfied if they find the solution by any means necessary, even if it's with a lucky guess. Others want to avoid this and look for a strictly logical solution without guessing (in this case, eliminating 6 from H3).
 

by: BP

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 Very well said, kris!
 

by: proteus

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once you see the URs, i find this puzzle extremely elegant. i didn't think it was solvable without chains. this might also be a good opportunity to recommend again BP's excellent tutorial on UR strategies, which can be found in the left side bar under 'Str8ts explained'.
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by: acs

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 The Weekly Str8ts B puzzle #198
 

by: tg

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 Nice and straight forward. - Thanks.
 

by: optimator

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 5'
 

by: BP

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 Quick and easy.
 

by: Martinus

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 Yes, easy going. Thanks.
 

by: EC

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just logic
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by: acs

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 The Weekly Str8ts X puzzle #198
 

by: tg

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 No chance for me.
 

by: OneGuess

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 sorry for the spoiler - but difficult as it seams, and 4 in the center cross might help to speed up things
 

by: 10Guess

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 think this was the most difficult stra8ts I ever did
 

by: proteus

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This is a puzzle that is worth the name 'extreme str8ts'. I even needed two hints from by CPU to be able to solve it (SPOILER: B1=2, D8=3), and I don't see any logical way without chains.
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by: acs

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 The Weekly Str8ts BX puzzle #198
 

by: Cosmanita

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 Very nice one, BX Power. At the end I used a SI to decide that G3 is not 2.
 

by: Martinus

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 Similar to cosmanita. Nice. Thanks!
 

by: ThomasF

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 Very nice, BX and some wings
 

by: Pete

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 At the end I used a UR on GH159 instead of SI.
 

by: jgrab

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 Nice. Used Cosmanita's hint to avoid brain work.
 

by: kmr

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 Like Pete. Develops smoothly, very nice one.
 

by: optimator

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took time at the end, similar to Cosmanita
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  • Bis H3=4oder6 bin ich auch gekommen. Dann mit Hint gelöst. Schwer.
    - S. Walt
  • Read the main comment section. Some URs, that's all.
    - Vishi
  • 39 min, needed a guess on D5
    - Alex
  • B1 was key. Regards to b*k*
    - AB_Traherne
  • HC in Col. 3 needed.
    - H.E.
  • took me ages - key was a guessing on E8
    - Ske
  • A big UR, a sneaky UR-with-short-chain, and a finish with a long chain. Had to sleep on it overnight.
    - puzzled
  • hard for me: I needed a chain on H3
    - optimator
  • 3rd try in 14' with guess on H3 enjoyable nonetheless
    - easydoesit
  • to Cleo: you are right - B1
    - b*k*
  • A few chains
    - Greg
  • with lucky guess
    - chris1
  • H3 soved it. Some might call it a chain, I call it lucky guess.
    - selecti
  • 16 min. after a lucky guess on H3. Would have preferred a logic-based solution though.
    - Amoena
  • 36' H3 was key!
    - Jim
  • right decision in H3 makes it possible in < 10 min
    - EC
  • 21 min - lucky guess on D5
    - Beate
  • 30 min - glücklich geraten
    - Rot
  • 51" with hint jgrad and b*k* (think he meant B1)
    - Cleo
  • many uniqueness arguments
    - Tonif
  • 45' - Needed a chain at the end
    - COM
  • Aus der Eindeutigkeit linke untere Ecke B2 gefolgert, dann trotzdem noch eine Weile gebraucht. Schöner So Morgen
    - b*k*
  • 34' with lucky guess
    - sumsum
  • 45’
    - Greg
  • 27' , one longish head HC
    - pax
  • ca. 90 minuten, letztendlich D7 glücklich geraten
    - dersoloist
  • Like jgrab
    - Neunmalneun
  • 35 min, hi/lo in col.3
    - Torsten&Irina
  • 1:03:49 nicht ganz leicht aber schön
    - zoo-pony (Tartlau)
  • The key for me was D6. Very nice
    - TriTop
  • 54 min - finding the right position of 5 in column 1, another logic one
    - Susi
  • 57 min, nach einer richtigen Entscheidung reine Logik.
    - poblid
  • 13 mins. Finally something I could solve.
    - Miss P
  • Lucky guess on H3, after I ran out of ideas.
    - jgrab